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devohoneybee at 03:16pm on 18/05/2007
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On a discussion list, the topic of masculinity and violence came up. Along the way someone mentioned "the divine masculine", but didn't really say what that was. Having heard a lot of discussion the virtues of the divine feminine (receptivity, connection, grace, etc) but not much about the masculine, I was curious about that, and posted the following. Would love to know what people think/feel about all this.
What is the beauty and goodness of the Masculine?
I know that I am attracted to masculine energy, that I desire a complement to my feminine receptivity. I am attracted to something like the ability to stand for something, without regard for how it fits with what others want or need; with a kind of confidance, even to the point of forcefulness. That there is an attractiveness, sometimes, to "fuck you, this is how I am". I am attracted to boldness, to the ability to take action. To put aside feelings and solve a problem, with strategy, intuition, and luck. I remember with fondness my Daddy's big arms, and the way he could carry a sofa on his back out of the basement. I remember the way he could sit down with a broken piece of equipment and, without knowing anything in advance about how it worked, feel utterly curious and confidant in his ability to discover how to fix it. I love all kinds of things in men that have a different expression, through the lens of the feminine, in me. I love both the polarity of Man (the other) and Woman (me) and the male and female and masculine and feminine in me. I love the animus in me and the anima in a man. I love to be chased, to be prey, to be hunted. I love to be caught, and held down, with so much force and presence that I can relax in a delicious helplessness and surrender.
Of late I am somewhat more aware of all of the above NOT necessarily being tied to a born-male or born-female body. That is an awareness I am still in process with, and for the most part, my inner images retain the usual polarities, though that is changing as I get closer to more people in my life who are, as one of them puts it, "fluidly gendered."
What turns me off: a man's (or woman's) fear of my (or their own) feminine expressed as bullying and controlling and contempt for it. The inability to surrender. The inability to receive tenderness. Rigidity, with any of it.
What do you love about Maleness, masculinity, men? In yourself and others?
What is the beauty and goodness of the Masculine?
I know that I am attracted to masculine energy, that I desire a complement to my feminine receptivity. I am attracted to something like the ability to stand for something, without regard for how it fits with what others want or need; with a kind of confidance, even to the point of forcefulness. That there is an attractiveness, sometimes, to "fuck you, this is how I am". I am attracted to boldness, to the ability to take action. To put aside feelings and solve a problem, with strategy, intuition, and luck. I remember with fondness my Daddy's big arms, and the way he could carry a sofa on his back out of the basement. I remember the way he could sit down with a broken piece of equipment and, without knowing anything in advance about how it worked, feel utterly curious and confidant in his ability to discover how to fix it. I love all kinds of things in men that have a different expression, through the lens of the feminine, in me. I love both the polarity of Man (the other) and Woman (me) and the male and female and masculine and feminine in me. I love the animus in me and the anima in a man. I love to be chased, to be prey, to be hunted. I love to be caught, and held down, with so much force and presence that I can relax in a delicious helplessness and surrender.
Of late I am somewhat more aware of all of the above NOT necessarily being tied to a born-male or born-female body. That is an awareness I am still in process with, and for the most part, my inner images retain the usual polarities, though that is changing as I get closer to more people in my life who are, as one of them puts it, "fluidly gendered."
What turns me off: a man's (or woman's) fear of my (or their own) feminine expressed as bullying and controlling and contempt for it. The inability to surrender. The inability to receive tenderness. Rigidity, with any of it.
What do you love about Maleness, masculinity, men? In yourself and others?
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What a wonderful question!
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Chivalry and the Titanic
Then on the subject of male as an archetype, I am so struck by how groups behave when under stress. I am amazed at how successfully the teachings of even a thin veneer of civilization get men to risk or even sacrifice themselves for women and children. Literally, "women and children first" get to get in the lifeboats. Part of that may be chivalrous - if seats in the lifeboats were determined by who can beat up their rivals the best, women and children would tend to lose out. (power vs. less power) But I think it's also related to the male willingness to fight and die in a war on behalf of families back home. (As a female veteran myself I am not denigrating women's willingness to do so, it's just that I'm talking about archetypes here.) In some way, the divine masculine seems to see itself as expendable in preference to others. Where no one would dispute the "maternal instinct's" power to cause a woman to make great sacrifices for a child, I think we may be downplaying the masculine sacrifice that goes for something even higher, something like "society in general" or "the continuation of the tribe." Women and children get in the lifeboats first not only because of chivalry but because of some awareness that they are the future of the race; the men, as horrible as it sounds, are more expendable.
My anthropology textbook from twenty years ago describes a situation in primates that I think back on often, when I ruminate on these things. Apparently the more harsh the environment a primate species lives in, the fewer males are part of the social unit. From a survival of the species point of view, fewer males are needed in a tribe compared to females, because a male can impregnate many females while a female has to wait all through at least gestation before she can reproduce again. If food is scarce, it's the males who are expendable. The extreme is (iirc) baboons, who live in a desert climate and have only the one male with a hareem of females. So while the males are expendable, the one you keep becomes conversely supremely important. Now this view may have changed by now; I notice these models change rather swiftly in anthropology.
Re: Chivalry and the Titanic
Thanks for your thoughts, very interesting! I'll have to ponder some more.